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    <title>Commercial Real Estate Check: 99% Loss</title>
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    &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.detnews.com/article/20091117/METRO/911170327/1411/METRO02/Silverdome-sale-price-disappoints&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Uh, you think this might be a problem?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote style=&quot;MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;
&lt;p itxtvisited=&quot;1&quot;&gt;&lt;em itxtvisited=&quot;1&quot;&gt;Pontiac&lt;/em&gt; -- Nearly 35 years after taxpayers spent $55.7 million building the Pontiac Silverdome and a year after a $20 million sale fell through, city officials have sold the arena once called the most desirable property in Oakland County. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p itxtvisited=&quot;1&quot;&gt;The price: $583,000.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p dir=&quot;ltr&quot; itxtvisited=&quot;1&quot;&gt;Niiiice.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p dir=&quot;ltr&quot; itxtvisited=&quot;1&quot;&gt;99% depreciation over 35 years, plus of course all the money poured into property taxes and maintenance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote style=&quot;MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;
&lt;p dir=&quot;ltr&quot; itxtvisited=&quot;1&quot;&gt;&quot;The citizens of Pontiac deserve better,&quot; Seay said. &quot;This is pennies on the dollar (of what it cost). It goes to show how bad times are ... Worse, we don&#039;t even know who bought it.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p dir=&quot;ltr&quot; itxtvisited=&quot;1&quot;&gt;Sounds like a Realtor.&amp;#160; Oh wait - that&#039;s a Pontiac City Councilman.&amp;#160; Same difference.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p dir=&quot;ltr&quot; itxtvisited=&quot;1&quot;&gt;Hint to the peanut gallery in Pontiac MI: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p dir=&quot;ltr&quot; itxtvisited=&quot;1&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;What something is worth is entirely dependent on what someone will pay you for it - nothing more or less.&amp;#160; Ever.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p dir=&quot;ltr&quot; itxtvisited=&quot;1&quot;&gt;This sale is emblematic of the general state of Commercial Real Estate.&amp;#160; Bluntly, too many people built too much crap on wishes and dreams - dreams they financed with other people&#039;s money, either the taxpayer&#039;s (in this case) or with some poor jackass who believed the prospectus on some CMBS deal that screamed &quot;PRIME Commercial Space!&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p dir=&quot;ltr&quot; itxtvisited=&quot;1&quot;&gt;Well, perhaps.&amp;#160; But there are only so many business interests that can inhabit a given area and turn a profit, especially when you send all the good jobs overseas to CHINA and INDIA, rendering unemployed the middle-class call-center employee who &lt;strong&gt;used to&lt;/strong&gt; make $30,000 a year but now makes &lt;strong&gt;zero&lt;/strong&gt; while the Indian or Chinese employee makes $2/day.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p dir=&quot;ltr&quot; itxtvisited=&quot;1&quot;&gt;Worse, all real estate (that has buildings on it anyway) has a carrying cost, meaning that if you don&#039;t have a revenue-producing use for it the value is actually &lt;strong&gt;negative&lt;/strong&gt;.&amp;#160; In the case of the Silverdome basic maintenance on the building&amp;#160;and grounds&amp;#160;is about $1.5 million a year.&amp;#160; If you can&#039;t make enough to cover that nut &quot;ownership&quot; just bleeds you out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p dir=&quot;ltr&quot; itxtvisited=&quot;1&quot;&gt;Welcome to the &quot;new normal.&quot;&amp;#160; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p dir=&quot;ltr&quot; itxtvisited=&quot;1&quot;&gt;If this doesn&#039;t send a shiver up your spine on the &quot;quality&quot; of regional banks that are stuffed to the gills with commercial real estate loans made in the last few years, you&#039;re not paying attention.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p dir=&quot;ltr&quot; itxtvisited=&quot;1&quot;&gt;Don&#039;t worry, you soon will be, as nearly all of these deals are interest-only and have to roll over between now and 2013.&amp;#160; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p dir=&quot;ltr&quot; itxtvisited=&quot;1&quot;&gt;They can&#039;t and won&#039;t.&lt;/p&gt; 
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